Edwin is floating in front of the laundry machines, watching them spin when Jedao comes in. He looks behind him at the sound of someone entering and lifts several tentacles braided into an "arm" to wave.
"What's sitting like?" He remembers, kind of, thanks to the breach. But it's a ghostly feeling, something he can't pin down, and it's harder now than before. "Sitting because you want to be somewhere and watch something. I can't sit, when I watch. It's not the same."
"People don't think about it very much," Jedao admits. "But it's less effort than standing up all the time, and getting back up is even more effort. So sitting is kind of a relief and...a commitment, at the same time. That you're going to be somewhere for a little while, so you want to get comfortable."
He comes as close to the same spot as he can without crowding Edwin, and holds out his hand for Edwin to come share with him, without grabbing. He stays standing, so they can sit down together.
A commitment. Makes sense, in its way. It's strange not to hesitate in guiding his crown into Jedao's hands, knowing what will happen. Inviting it, being relieved to find himself drawn into that simultaneously dark and translucent interior world.
There is absolutely the sense of Edwin snuggling in, like a cat smugly pleased at stealing a dog's bed.
Jedao, meanwhile, wraps around him in turn, just a tiny bit gleefully, with all the answering smugness of a child favored enough to scoop up a cat in his arms and receive a purr instead of scratches for the presumption. Jedao cradles the crown gently against the forearm of the hand he keeps control of, and finds a spot where two machines are both running facing opposite each other, then hops up to sit on top of one, feeling the steady rumbling warmth beneath him.
What's up, buttercup? Jedao asks, affectionate and silly and gentle.
[I... fought with people on the network. Envy told me about what his warden did, back when he was destroying things often. Turned him human. He... He hated it, hated it so much he tried to end himself, I think to be brought back as he was supposed to be.
Some of them... Some of them said they would do it again if they needed to. They would trap someone that way, in an existence that isn't theirs, and that they would deserve it. And that it was okay because they deserved it.]
The sense of him in Jedao's mind doesn't get smaller so much as quieter, like a gas burner turned down as low as it possibly can be while still displaying a flame.
[I don't... I don't want that. I don't want that.
But I don't... understand all of the reasons they might do it.]
I would not let that happen to you, Jedao says simply, and there's a quiet, absolute quality to certainty, like bedrock going down and down and down. It doesn't matter if it's not his decision: if he couldn't persuade Edwin's warden, he could certainly break them. If he were demoted for it, so be it; demotion would only give him more latitude for action. Once he was an inmate himself, it would be easier to bait them into their demotion, if it came to that.
He's pretty sure he wouldn't need to go that far. He has a lot of alternatives he could pitch, and he's very persuasive, when he needs to be.
But it's important to Jedao to always know how far he's willing to go. What he's willing to go to war for, and what he isn't.
Anxiety simmers over the low flame of his fear. Jedao's ferocity and absolute certainty are comforting, just like Hunter's promise, John saying he wouldn't let it happen, but he still can't help the lingering What If.
[I want to know what will make them do it, so I can not do those things.]
Okay. I want to ask you a question, because I think that thinking about it might help you understand some of the things you're worried about, first. And the question is, can you think of any reasons you'd think it was okay to hurt someone, that aren't deserving it?
Hesitation, and a bubbling of guilt. He doesn't want to get Arthur in trouble with Jedao, because it's not the same Arthur, but...
[The Arthur I knew... The one I met made it confusing. He would... tell me to do things and get angry when I asked questions, or would be frustrated that I didn't know what things he wanted me to tell him about after refusing to explain why something mattered. He... He called the man who tried to kill us, one who murdered a woman locked up in a basement, he called Larson a monster and then told me a story of his own... brutality. I don't... know what people think is okay. I don't know what you do to deserve it. I get angry and hurt things. But is that deserving it? It feels like it is.]
The truth is, I don't always know what people deserve either. And sometimes, even when you're sure, you can't give it to them.
There's a pulse of old, quiet melancholy, bruise-blue wistfulness.
When I'm deciding if it's worth it, to hurt someone, I try not to think about what they deserve at all. I try to think about, what will happen, if I do this. Will the world be better, or will it be worse?
And I think pain is always worse than no pain. So if you're going to hurt someone, it has to be because there's something else that'll be better.
When his warden turned Envy human for a week, it wasn't just that he'd done something bad and some people thought he had to be punished. It wasn't just that he was hurting other people, including other inmates, that his warden wanted to protect. It wasn't even just that he'd done it a lot. It was all of that, and the fact that he wouldn't stop, and the other things they did to try to make him stop, he didn't care about them at all, and he said so. So his warden did do something he knew Envy would probably hate, because he wanted Envy hate it enough that he would stop hurting other people, to make it not happen again. And they might have hoped that being human would help Envy learn something about the people he hurt, that would make him want to hurt them less. Maybe, maybe not, I don't know.
Most of the wardens who say they don't regret it - I think that's a part of what they really mean, even if they don't think it through or explain it the same way I do. They mean that they were okay with causing him some pain if it stopped all the pain he was causing.
But his warden didn't know it would be that bad for him. If he could have figured out another way to get Envy to stop, without going that far, I think he would have taken it.
And if, someday in the future, you hurt a lot of people, and you won't stop, and no one can figure out anything else to make it so you don't want to do that anymore, then I'll promise your warden I'll stay with you and watch you all the time to make you stop, without you having to turn human, even if you end up hating me for it. I did that with my inmate, once. I can do it again, if I have to.
The fear that comes with the idea of hating Jedao--not at the prospect of being endlessly guarded, but hating Jedao because of it--is obvious and immediate.
He doesn't answer right away, thoughts turning over themselves and back again.
Jedao swallows, and from him the dread is soft, instead of sharp, a heavy sucking-quicksand softness in his chest, the place where grief would go, if his love were unwanted once again. But Jedao knows where it is, and how to tread lightly around it.
I don't want you to hate me either. I'd beg you to promise me you'd stop without that, first, and I'd trust you if you did. But I'd risk it, if that didn't work, because I'd still rather you hated me than hated existing in your own - well. I guess it wouldn't be your own skin, and that's the horror of it.
Jedao feels like his body is a little bit wrong all the time, if he lets himself think about it too long, so mostly he doesn't. It makes him feel prickly and bitter about Envy, who made such a fucking fuss about a week of the low-grade revulsion that's been the background radiation of Jedao's entire life, ever since that Kel bullet punched into him and the wrong stuff came out, and even before then, when he realized Jedao One's body was the wrong age, wrong shape, wrong size. But that's unfair and uncharitable, and he's put it away. The only feeling for Edwin to catch is a faint pang around the edges, like distant dolorous churchbells, not sympathy but low resonating empathy. He doesn't want Edwin to feel like that, trapped in the wrongness of a body that isn't his.
I don't think it would ever actually get that far. I think, between me and Hunter and John, you have people you can come to with problems, so you won't be stuck feeling like killing is the only thing you can do. And also people you'll listen to, if there's a time when you're hurting people for any other reason. But there's a part of me that has to have a plan for the worst possible chance.
You ask really good questions, Jedao says, as he slips down from the top of the dryer and opens it up. The clothes inside are still very slightly damp - humid, at least - but in the cooler dry air of the room it'll only be a few minutes before they are fully dry.
Jedao pulls out a big heap of clothes in a pile, armfuls overflowing, probably losing a sock, so that he can bury their face in the soft warm fabric for a few long seconds.
Even though people don't always have good answers. That's one of the things I love most about you."
Edwin may or may not be contemplating the theft of that sock. Something to use to bring him back here inside his own mind when he needs it. He still feels small, but small in a different way, like something held gently in the bowl of a familiar palm.
[I like being able to ask. Not having to guess about things. Most of the time, when people aren't guessing themselves.]
[It's... both. Nice that I'm not the only one guessing, but sometimes frustrating because they pretend they aren't guessing too.]
Edwin gives each folded item an extra little stroke with his borrowed hand, matching the textures of the fabrics to the descriptions of them that he's read or created for himself.
That makes sense, Jedao agrees. Do you want to talk through your thoughts with me, if I promise to admit when I'm guessing? Or would you rather just focus on the nice things for awhile?
Jedao is genuinely happy no matter which one Edwin chooses, and he lets Edwin feel it, the quiet pleased contentment he feels, simply sharing this moment with him.
He debates. He does like talking to Jedao about things, sorting them out, making it make sense. Or at least figuring out what questions to ask. But he's also... fatigued, in a strange way. He just wants to touch warm clothes and fold and be with his friend.
[Nice things.] There's a little bit of guilt that comes with it, like a confession.
Okay, Jedao tells him, simply accepting it, feeling another little burst of affection.
Honestly, being able to pull back from something that's upsetting you and do things that help restore you instead is a really good skill, Jedao adds, as he fishes through the laundry for one of his softest sweaters, pressing it on their face for a moment. He can't make Edwin not feel guilty, but he can at least offer another perspective.
The sweater is a perfect distraction from the guilt of not Trying Harder, and Edwin wishes fiercely he could rub his face against it. It's magical, the way the gentle give of the cloth against Jedao's face feels good, the combination of textures and firing synapses creating something pleasing. It's magical that creatures would spend time and energy to finding things that feel soft to make clothes from, that they would be so dedicated to what feels good beyond the practical.
[I wish I could touch things but not have to be human doing it. ...Not that I-- I like this. I like doing this with you.]
Well, I'm not human doing it, so it's definitely possible, Jedao muses. Some of the things about my body are...still not what I want, but I'm getting them changed with my next deal.
He feels the urge to ruffle hair that Edwin doesn't have.
I like doing it with you, too. But I'll help you get what you need if I can, he promises.
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Should I come find you?
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[Which isn't 'the laundry' but it's... close....???]
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"What's sitting like?" He remembers, kind of, thanks to the breach. But it's a ghostly feeling, something he can't pin down, and it's harder now than before. "Sitting because you want to be somewhere and watch something. I can't sit, when I watch. It's not the same."
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He comes as close to the same spot as he can without crowding Edwin, and holds out his hand for Edwin to come share with him, without grabbing. He stays standing, so they can sit down together.
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There is absolutely the sense of Edwin snuggling in, like a cat smugly pleased at stealing a dog's bed.
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What's up, buttercup? Jedao asks, affectionate and silly and gentle.
SI/SH mention
Some of them... Some of them said they would do it again if they needed to. They would trap someone that way, in an existence that isn't theirs, and that they would deserve it. And that it was okay because they deserved it.]
The sense of him in Jedao's mind doesn't get smaller so much as quieter, like a gas burner turned down as low as it possibly can be while still displaying a flame.
[I don't... I don't want that. I don't want that.
But I don't... understand all of the reasons they might do it.]
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He's pretty sure he wouldn't need to go that far. He has a lot of alternatives he could pitch, and he's very persuasive, when he needs to be.
But it's important to Jedao to always know how far he's willing to go. What he's willing to go to war for, and what he isn't.
Do you want to understand their reasons for it?
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[I want to know what will make them do it, so I can not do those things.]
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[The Arthur I knew... The one I met made it confusing. He would... tell me to do things and get angry when I asked questions, or would be frustrated that I didn't know what things he wanted me to tell him about after refusing to explain why something mattered. He... He called the man who tried to kill us, one who murdered a woman locked up in a basement, he called Larson a monster and then told me a story of his own... brutality. I don't... know what people think is okay. I don't know what you do to deserve it. I get angry and hurt things. But is that deserving it? It feels like it is.]
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There's a pulse of old, quiet melancholy, bruise-blue wistfulness.
When I'm deciding if it's worth it, to hurt someone, I try not to think about what they deserve at all. I try to think about, what will happen, if I do this. Will the world be better, or will it be worse?
And I think pain is always worse than no pain. So if you're going to hurt someone, it has to be because there's something else that'll be better.
When his warden turned Envy human for a week, it wasn't just that he'd done something bad and some people thought he had to be punished. It wasn't just that he was hurting other people, including other inmates, that his warden wanted to protect. It wasn't even just that he'd done it a lot. It was all of that, and the fact that he wouldn't stop, and the other things they did to try to make him stop, he didn't care about them at all, and he said so. So his warden did do something he knew Envy would probably hate, because he wanted Envy hate it enough that he would stop hurting other people, to make it not happen again. And they might have hoped that being human would help Envy learn something about the people he hurt, that would make him want to hurt them less. Maybe, maybe not, I don't know.
Most of the wardens who say they don't regret it - I think that's a part of what they really mean, even if they don't think it through or explain it the same way I do. They mean that they were okay with causing him some pain if it stopped all the pain he was causing.
But his warden didn't know it would be that bad for him. If he could have figured out another way to get Envy to stop, without going that far, I think he would have taken it.
And if, someday in the future, you hurt a lot of people, and you won't stop, and no one can figure out anything else to make it so you don't want to do that anymore, then I'll promise your warden I'll stay with you and watch you all the time to make you stop, without you having to turn human, even if you end up hating me for it. I did that with my inmate, once. I can do it again, if I have to.
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He doesn't answer right away, thoughts turning over themselves and back again.
[I don't want to hate you.]
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I don't want you to hate me either. I'd beg you to promise me you'd stop without that, first, and I'd trust you if you did. But I'd risk it, if that didn't work, because I'd still rather you hated me than hated existing in your own - well. I guess it wouldn't be your own skin, and that's the horror of it.
Jedao feels like his body is a little bit wrong all the time, if he lets himself think about it too long, so mostly he doesn't. It makes him feel prickly and bitter about Envy, who made such a fucking fuss about a week of the low-grade revulsion that's been the background radiation of Jedao's entire life, ever since that Kel bullet punched into him and the wrong stuff came out, and even before then, when he realized Jedao One's body was the wrong age, wrong shape, wrong size. But that's unfair and uncharitable, and he's put it away. The only feeling for Edwin to catch is a faint pang around the edges, like distant dolorous churchbells, not sympathy but low resonating empathy. He doesn't want Edwin to feel like that, trapped in the wrongness of a body that isn't his.
I don't think it would ever actually get that far. I think, between me and Hunter and John, you have people you can come to with problems, so you won't be stuck feeling like killing is the only thing you can do. And also people you'll listen to, if there's a time when you're hurting people for any other reason. But there's a part of me that has to have a plan for the worst possible chance.
Edwin understands that, Jedao is pretty sure.
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He hates how small his voice feels.
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He feels very - tender, protective in a new way.
You ask really good questions, Jedao says, as he slips down from the top of the dryer and opens it up. The clothes inside are still very slightly damp - humid, at least - but in the cooler dry air of the room it'll only be a few minutes before they are fully dry.
Jedao pulls out a big heap of clothes in a pile, armfuls overflowing, probably losing a sock, so that he can bury their face in the soft warm fabric for a few long seconds.
Even though people don't always have good answers. That's one of the things I love most about you."
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[I like being able to ask. Not having to guess about things. Most of the time, when people aren't guessing themselves.]
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What about when everyone else is guessing? Is it at least nice to know you're not the only one who's not sure, or is it just frustrating?
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Edwin gives each folded item an extra little stroke with his borrowed hand, matching the textures of the fabrics to the descriptions of them that he's read or created for himself.
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Jedao is genuinely happy no matter which one Edwin chooses, and he lets Edwin feel it, the quiet pleased contentment he feels, simply sharing this moment with him.
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[Nice things.] There's a little bit of guilt that comes with it, like a confession.
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Honestly, being able to pull back from something that's upsetting you and do things that help restore you instead is a really good skill, Jedao adds, as he fishes through the laundry for one of his softest sweaters, pressing it on their face for a moment. He can't make Edwin not feel guilty, but he can at least offer another perspective.
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[I wish I could touch things but not have to be human doing it. ...Not that I-- I like this. I like doing this with you.]
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He feels the urge to ruffle hair that Edwin doesn't have.
I like doing it with you, too. But I'll help you get what you need if I can, he promises.