greatoldjohn: (out: hold you tender)

[personal profile] greatoldjohn 2023-07-31 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
There are times that John can almost forget what he was, but there are others where he is struck to the core by something that reverberates with Hastur, with madness and corruption and the broken edges of a person. With the darkness between the stars, the interstellar spaces. With the ruins of Carcosa and the dark waves of Hali.

Right now, this laughter, the noises, the way Jedao is gulping and cackling and grinding his knuckles...

He wishes it didn't feel so familiar, so- if not comfortable, if not satisfying, then at least known.

"Are you angry with yourself for loving them, despite their hatred... or for your hope that they might have learned to love you when they didn't?"
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[personal profile] greatoldjohn 2023-08-01 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
"I'm glad you forgive yourself," he says honestly. There's no hint of sarcasm or passive aggressiveness or even defensiveness. John's never really offended at being wrong. This particular kind of anger is one he has trouble understanding, not because he agrees with assholes. It's more complicated, as most things are.

Then again, thinking you're stupid feels like you might still be a little angry at yourself, but it's the kind of thing Arthur would say, so he's just going to roll with it, trust what someone says about themselves. That's the most important.

"Happiness... happiness is... fragile."
greatoldjohn: (out: wruugh)

[personal profile] greatoldjohn 2023-08-02 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
When John says the love was fragile, it isn't a judgement on the love. Love is fragile because the universe doesn't care about it. There's no mechanism to protect it, no inherent and visceral power that responds to it. The universe is cold and apathetic and so much bigger than most beings can even comprehend.

That fragility, the limited and temporary nature of love, that it is a part of a limited thing like a person's life... that doesn't make it less. That makes it rare and valuable and beautiful. The fact that you can't keep it in a glass jar or freeze it in stone or hold it, that through all of the layers of reality it can't even be touched-

To have the power it has, this strange creation of limited creatures, while being so fragile, so special- John loves love. He is devoted to it. He has entwined himself with it and his whole concept of being a person, of deciding to be John, is wrapped in it. It's the membrane that has slid between him and the King in Yellow. It's vital.

Maybe one day he'll tell Jedao about that. But it does take a bit of a preamble.

"Do you honestly think he wouldn't have found another way to betray you both if you hadn't loved him, Jedao? His choice not to love you is a reflection on him, not you. And your choice to love him is a reflection on you, not him. You can-

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. And whatever he might think, he'll die without it. Whatever world he came from, whatever fucked up way it works... he's not getting back there until he figures out how to care about people properly. And if that didn't include people like you and I, I don't think the Admiral would have chosen us as wardens."

A pause.

"...that love sounds beautiful, though."
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[personal profile] greatoldjohn 2023-08-02 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
"It meant something to you," he says quietly. "And you had a year of love. Of loving someone. The fact that it hurts now just means that it was real, even if only to you. He's not hurting right now, but he also spent a year pretending and wasting time and not loving. It's not insignificant. And it gained him nothing."

His tone shifts a little, goes a little more casual.

"Something doesn't have to be immoral to be a shitty and self-destructive life choice. There's only one pathetic person in this whole mess, Jedao, and it isn't you. To keep loving... it's hard. But I think it's better than the alternative."
greatoldjohn: (in: I won't let you drown)

[personal profile] greatoldjohn 2023-08-02 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
Thankfully, John's living out a certain meme because he has no idea what closed off body language is, really. Thus, he's not put off.

"It would be better," he agrees, "but loving isn't natural to everyone. I know I had to learn, am still learning, how it works. How to do it. How to... live with loving and wanting love and wanting to love. How to handle it when people don't love you in return."

He'll give a short, soft squeeze to Jedao's shoulder.

"You can be better. But it doesn't mean there's something wrong with you. It just means you're getting there."
greatoldjohn: (in: WEEP)

[personal profile] greatoldjohn 2023-08-02 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
Given the King in Yellow, that kind of power isn't really startling. He could do that too, once upon a time, even if now the idea is horrifying.

"Maybe that's how he designed you, sure." He wouldn't doubt that, or deny it. "But that doesn't mean you have to stay that way. That you can't make yourself something different. That you can't grow and change beyond what he would have wanted."

A small huff.

"Fuck him. You already learned better. Hakkai's not like that. If you loved Mandrake, I'm definitely assuming you love Hakkai. And Hakkai isn't like that. I can't do anything to help Hakkai most of the time and I don't have anything to give him but he's still my friend and he likes spending time with me."
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[personal profile] greatoldjohn 2023-08-02 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
"But he would care about your loyalty, right?"

He clamps on like a terrier.

"And when everything happened, when Mandrake was a fucking asshole, you were loyal to Hakkai. Not Mandrake. So even if he did put something in there, it's something you grew past. Something you don't have to listen to."

A soft grumble.

"You're not his. You're yours."
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[personal profile] greatoldjohn 2023-08-02 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
"And you don't think he made it easier to 'manage' you by setting things up to make you think you were broken?"

He can't help but think of the King in Yellow, of how he'd manipulated them, how he'd tricked them, herded them, pushed them, how he'd poisoned the mind of Kellin and used the cult and how he would do terrible things trying to tear himself and Arthur apart, to get what he wanted, to be whole. He pushes it aside. That's him, not Jedao.

"Sorry. That was rude." A faint huff of self-depreciating amusement. "And you're not wrong. Sometimes, being a person sucks. It hurts and it's confusing and it feels like none of the rules make sense."
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[personal profile] greatoldjohn 2023-08-02 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
He wishes he didn't know this.

"The easiest way to control someone is to make them doubt themselves. Doubt what they think and feel, the instincts they have." A pause, before he admits- "That's how the King works."
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[personal profile] greatoldjohn 2023-08-03 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
"Or a brain cylinder," he counters quietly, yet immediately recants to note- "but fuck those guys."

He listens to Jedao talk about his first moments, waking up. That, he gets.

"But he wanted you to think for him, no? So... he had to have leverage."
greatoldjohn: (in: over the shoulder)

[personal profile] greatoldjohn 2023-08-04 12:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, he can follow you on most of this but-

"...what's 'kinky' sex?"
greatoldjohn: (in: oh shit)

[personal profile] greatoldjohn 2023-08-04 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Huh.

"Huh." A pause. Well, he might as well ask since it seems like a simple enough thing for Jedao. "Are tentacles considered kinky?"

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